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	<description>Gunnlaugur Þór Briem</description>
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		<title>By: GÞB</title>
		<link>http://fugato.net/2005/09/11/the-nigger-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-1601</link>
		<dc:creator>GÞB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... and even more general than that: David&#039;s story mentions the effect of language as well. Maybe he would have been better received if he had spoken fluent Spanish. Appearance, language ... anything that makes you instantly categorizable is a potential basis for discrimination.

I&#039;m interested in a general view of this phenomenon, because I want to know the ways in which I may be nigger-taxing people (even if only slightly) without realizing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; and even more general than that: David&#8217;s story mentions the effect of language as well. Maybe he would have been better received if he had spoken fluent Spanish. Appearance, language &#8230; anything that makes you instantly categorizable is a potential basis for discrimination.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m interested in a general view of this phenomenon, because I want to know the ways in which I may be nigger-taxing people (even if only slightly) without realizing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Hjalti</title>
		<link>http://fugato.net/2005/09/11/the-nigger-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-1600</link>
		<dc:creator>Hjalti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 18:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think my mistake was to narrowly define “nigger tax” as a taxation based on race.

In the drug store we only know that she boycotted one person - we don´t know why, and perhaps it was not because of race, it may have been because of other attributes.
 
The pizza story provides two data points. Both the guy who would have received service (we know that he had no relationship with the restaurant) and the other one who was ignored and stated that this happened every time. The pizza story is therefore a more accurate depiction of race discrimination.

However, boycotting people based on appearance attributes is of course taxation. So I stand corrected having defined “nigger tax” as race discrimination when it is appearance discrimination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think my mistake was to narrowly define “nigger tax” as a taxation based on race.</p>
<p>In the drug store we only know that she boycotted one person &#8211; we don´t know why, and perhaps it was not because of race, it may have been because of other attributes.</p>
<p>The pizza story provides two data points. Both the guy who would have received service (we know that he had no relationship with the restaurant) and the other one who was ignored and stated that this happened every time. The pizza story is therefore a more accurate depiction of race discrimination.</p>
<p>However, boycotting people based on appearance attributes is of course taxation. So I stand corrected having defined “nigger tax” as race discrimination when it is appearance discrimination.</p>
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		<title>By: GÞB</title>
		<link>http://fugato.net/2005/09/11/the-nigger-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-1599</link>
		<dc:creator>GÞB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 17:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice short reply, bro! That led me to an interesting website, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.uni-regensburg.de/Fakultaeten/phil_Fak_II/Psychologie/Psy_II/beautycheck/english/index.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Beauty Check&lt;/a&gt;, reporting on an experiment in which many facial images are rated for attractiveness and then morphed together to create the prototypical attractive face and unattractive face for both males and females. A section of that site that is relevant to the above discussion: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.uni-regensburg.de/Fakultaeten/phil_Fak_II/Psychologie/Psy_II/beautycheck/english/sozialewahrnehmung/sozialewahrnehmung.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Social perception&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice short reply, bro! That led me to an interesting website, <a href="http://www.uni-regensburg.de/Fakultaeten/phil_Fak_II/Psychologie/Psy_II/beautycheck/english/index.htm" rel="nofollow">Beauty Check</a>, reporting on an experiment in which many facial images are rated for attractiveness and then morphed together to create the prototypical attractive face and unattractive face for both males and females. A section of that site that is relevant to the above discussion: <a href="http://www.uni-regensburg.de/Fakultaeten/phil_Fak_II/Psychologie/Psy_II/beautycheck/english/sozialewahrnehmung/sozialewahrnehmung.htm" rel="nofollow">Social perception</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: GÞB</title>
		<link>http://fugato.net/2005/09/11/the-nigger-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-1598</link>
		<dc:creator>GÞB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 16:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for the possible excuse for the woman in the drug store ... I want to apply the walk&#039;n&#039;quack argument there. It&#039;s a duck; it&#039;s a Nigger Tax. Whatever the &lt;em&gt;reasons&lt;/em&gt; for her being mentally deficient enough to discrimate against someone based on race, she is still discriminating against someone based on race --- quite overtly and aggressively. It seems unlikely that he is just paying for not being one of &quot;her friends in the neighborhood&quot; ... call me prejudiced if you want, but I am somehow skeptical of the neighborly camaraderie at supermarket chains in the Bronx. :) So excluding familiarity, she may still be predisposed, for whatever reasons, to help her fellow Latinos but not the white guy. Is that any different from a grumpy white pizza clerk who will serve his fellow pasty white guys but not the ... Nigger?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the possible excuse for the woman in the drug store &#8230; I want to apply the walk&#8217;n'quack argument there. It&#8217;s a duck; it&#8217;s a Nigger Tax. Whatever the <em>reasons</em> for her being mentally deficient enough to discrimate against someone based on race, she is still discriminating against someone based on race &#8212; quite overtly and aggressively. It seems unlikely that he is just paying for not being one of &#8220;her friends in the neighborhood&#8221; &#8230; call me prejudiced if you want, but I am somehow skeptical of the neighborly camaraderie at supermarket chains in the Bronx. :) So excluding familiarity, she may still be predisposed, for whatever reasons, to help her fellow Latinos but not the white guy. Is that any different from a grumpy white pizza clerk who will serve his fellow pasty white guys but not the &#8230; Nigger?</p>
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		<title>By: GÞB</title>
		<link>http://fugato.net/2005/09/11/the-nigger-tax/comment-page-1/#comment-1597</link>
		<dc:creator>GÞB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 16:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hjalti: well, everything we do is responding to incentives, if you want to get into that; the racist pizza clerk wants to compensate for his spotty rag of an ego, so he treats the Nigger like shit to give himself the impression of superiority over someone. That&#039;s not a conscious &quot;if I do X maybe I&#039;ll get Y&quot; incentive, but it is an incentive nonetheless. So I don&#039;t know if that&#039;s a real distinction.

If there is a fundamental difference, I&#039;d say it is that the &quot;beauty subsidy&quot; is based on positive feelings for the beautiful, along with &lt;em&gt;unconscious&lt;/em&gt; indifference to the less beautiful ... while the &quot;Nigger Tax&quot; is driven entirely by &lt;em&gt;conscious&lt;/em&gt; hatred of the &quot;Nigger.&quot; In the former case, our response to the unusual is positive and not conscious, in the latter it is negative and conscious. That may be what vindicates the beauty subsidy as being less pernicious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hjalti: well, everything we do is responding to incentives, if you want to get into that; the racist pizza clerk wants to compensate for his spotty rag of an ego, so he treats the Nigger like shit to give himself the impression of superiority over someone. That&#8217;s not a conscious &#8220;if I do X maybe I&#8217;ll get Y&#8221; incentive, but it is an incentive nonetheless. So I don&#8217;t know if that&#8217;s a real distinction.</p>
<p>If there is a fundamental difference, I&#8217;d say it is that the &#8220;beauty subsidy&#8221; is based on positive feelings for the beautiful, along with <em>unconscious</em> indifference to the less beautiful &#8230; while the &#8220;Nigger Tax&#8221; is driven entirely by <em>conscious</em> hatred of the &#8220;Nigger.&#8221; In the former case, our response to the unusual is positive and not conscious, in the latter it is negative and conscious. That may be what vindicates the beauty subsidy as being less pernicious.</p>
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		<title>By: Gunnar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gunnar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 14:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beauty
(Happy about the short reply :-)</description>
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(Happy about the short reply :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Hjalti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hjalti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 05:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually think there is a fundamental difference between the subsidy and the taxation. One is responding to incentives, while the other is a classification of people (with a public statement).

Let’s first analyze the stories told on the weblog you refer to, at first pass they all seem to convey the same message – but actually since we don’t know the facts leading up to each situation, they might be very different.

The story about the pizza place is obviously taxation, but the drug store not necessarily. 

Let’s assume that the woman in the drug store had requested (and even promised) a day off around Christmas. Unfortunately at the last minute someone got sick and she was called to work. She is now angry being working on Christmas day and almost refuses to work. However due to her private incentives she chooses to serve her friends in the neighborhood when they drop by, because these are her friends and she doesn’t want to let take her grievances out on them – but the white guy in the story, whom she has no connection with and is very likely from another neighborhood, is the perfect candidate to show her boss how little she wanted to work.

This is also what is happening in the case of a beautiful woman, a single man (in the search of a girlfriend) will undoubtedly respond differently to any favors asked by a beautiful woman than a man who is happily married. This has to do with personal incentives and hope of reciprocity rather than “race subsidy”. You actually want to show this person that you are nicer to them than you are to the average person.

This all boils down to the twofold meaning of the word: “prejudice”. The first and neutral meaning is: “opinion formed beforehand, based on insufficient knowledge” and that is very difficult to change, we all do it and often we need to.  If you were hiring a programmer and got one thousand applications you would have to use some kind of prejudice to determine who gets an interview. A person with a masters degree in computer science is more likely to get an interview than an uneducated person – even though it may lead to “false negatives”. On the flip side of “prejudice” is irrational dislike of somebody – and I agree with you, that is an awful act.

Sorry for the long reply…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually think there is a fundamental difference between the subsidy and the taxation. One is responding to incentives, while the other is a classification of people (with a public statement).</p>
<p>Let’s first analyze the stories told on the weblog you refer to, at first pass they all seem to convey the same message – but actually since we don’t know the facts leading up to each situation, they might be very different.</p>
<p>The story about the pizza place is obviously taxation, but the drug store not necessarily. </p>
<p>Let’s assume that the woman in the drug store had requested (and even promised) a day off around Christmas. Unfortunately at the last minute someone got sick and she was called to work. She is now angry being working on Christmas day and almost refuses to work. However due to her private incentives she chooses to serve her friends in the neighborhood when they drop by, because these are her friends and she doesn’t want to let take her grievances out on them – but the white guy in the story, whom she has no connection with and is very likely from another neighborhood, is the perfect candidate to show her boss how little she wanted to work.</p>
<p>This is also what is happening in the case of a beautiful woman, a single man (in the search of a girlfriend) will undoubtedly respond differently to any favors asked by a beautiful woman than a man who is happily married. This has to do with personal incentives and hope of reciprocity rather than “race subsidy”. You actually want to show this person that you are nicer to them than you are to the average person.</p>
<p>This all boils down to the twofold meaning of the word: “prejudice”. The first and neutral meaning is: “opinion formed beforehand, based on insufficient knowledge” and that is very difficult to change, we all do it and often we need to.  If you were hiring a programmer and got one thousand applications you would have to use some kind of prejudice to determine who gets an interview. A person with a masters degree in computer science is more likely to get an interview than an uneducated person – even though it may lead to “false negatives”. On the flip side of “prejudice” is irrational dislike of somebody – and I agree with you, that is an awful act.</p>
<p>Sorry for the long reply…</p>
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