No apology on astrology
I was going to put a picture of a spiral galaxy or something here, but I decided I’d rather have a picture of a cup of cappuccino, the drink I hope to be sipping when I meet Baal soon and he takes me to task over this discussion. This particular cappuccino was very, very tasty, as they tend to be at Te & Kaffi on Laugavegur. I recommend them highly.
“The good Christian should beware of mathematicians, and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that the mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and to confine man in the bonds of Hell.”
— St. Augustine (354-430), De Genesi ad Litteram (“On the Literal Meaning of Genesis”), Book II, xviii, 37 [Note: in that time, mathematician = astrologer]
I decided I needed a whole new posting to respond to Baal’s comment on my last posting. He said:
I find your snooty science-elitist loathing for astrology intriguing. Partly because I once was a snooty science-elitist, but mostly because I am now a snooty anti-science-elitist (i.e. snooty anti-(science-elitist), not snooty (anti-science)-elitist).
Just as a sidenote … is it fair to say, then, that you are a snooty (anti-elitism)-elitist? :)
I therefore have a question for you (mind you, this is a trap):
Do you detest astrology in all forms, or only when people truly believe in it, letting it influence their lives?
Evidently my cunning plan of avoiding further discussion of this opinion by pre-emptively calling it snooty science-elitism has failed. Damn. But I can blame myself. I have written about it before; clearly I can’t quite leave this alone.
It is a valid question. Thank you for warning me that it is also a trap, but I’m going to ignore that; I’m okay with humoring you by walking right into your traps. (Phew, what a cheesy disclaimer.)
First, my choice of words, “detest with every fiber of my besserwisser being,” is obviously tongue-in-cheek. The spirit is right, but the degree is exaggerated. Plenty of fibers of my besserwisser being are allocated to things completely unrelated to astrology. In fact, I’d like to claim that the majority of these fibers are dedicated to things I like, rather than things I dislike. I hope so, anyway. So my feelings about astrology are more lukewarm than flaming.
As for my feelings about people earnestly believing in astrology: that I do not detest. I will not particularly respect them for that belief — but in no way does it prevent me from respecting them for all kinds of other things, or from respecting them on the whole.
Now, for astrology itself.
Obviously I do not detest the artifacts of astrology, i.e. the symbols of the zodiac, or the personality descriptions, or the terminology for Mars being in this house and Venus in the other, etc. These are by themselves neutral, inert, in the sense that they do not attempt to lead (and thus do not attempt to mis-lead) anyone in their thinking or their actions.
My nephew Baldur Fróði is just getting started with this life thing. Multiple times in his life (I can see it in his stars), people will try to trick him, either for money or for other nefarious purposes. And the thought of that makes me angry.
And I am not even particularly irked by the association between date-of-birth and personality type, in itself. Although I find it silly and invalid (see next paragraph below), it does provide a framework and a trigger for people to contemplate their personalities, who otherwise might do far less of it. And one can go “oh, I’m a Sagittarian to the bone” or “I’m quite atypical for a Sagittarian, probably because I have a rising Jupiter in the third house and was born in a period of heightened auroral activity at the exact minute when Halley’s comet passed behind the third ring of Saturn,” etc. … so even given my belief (yes, with all the conviction of a religious zealot, if that makes you happy :) ) in the complete invalidity of that association, I need not conclude that it will generally cause believers to completely mischaracterize and misunderstand themselves. And contemplating one’s personality in a sketchy but mostly harmless reference frame is bound to be better than not contemplating it at all.
Why do I find this association silly and invalid? Because of the Principle of Least Improbability, as I like to call it. One might propose all kinds of explanations for the existence of astrology, including the idea that it is real — that there exists a correlation between date-of-birth and personality, and that astrology arose simply as a characterization of that correlation, once people identified it. Fair enough, but I find another explanation far less improbable: that humans are (a) rather good at imagining things, (b) very good at finding patterns in what they experience — even when the patterns aren’t really there, and (c) exceedingly good at finding ways of making money off each other. There is probably more to both of these explanations, but I feel relatively secure in concluding that the believer’s explanation is not the least improbable one.
I begin to be bothered, though, when people start to say things like “oh, I like her a lot, but I’m a Sagittarian and she’s a Piscean and that will never work so we’d better cut this short right away” … i.e. when they short-circuit past all the valuable personality pondering and make a direct connection from star sign to life-determining decision. Obviously my example is contrived, but you get the idea; when you go taking things too literally, you are treading on thin ice.
I get even more bothered when people start bringing fate and prophesy into the picture, claiming that a person’s date-of-birth has some kind of prophetic value about the events of that person’s life. That can mislead people in making real, important decisions. Beliefs in fate and prophesy are (in my world-view) dangerous: they lead to shoddy decision-making, and make you vulnerable to … charlatans.
And that’s where I really start to fume out the nostrils: when I see “professional” prophesies and personality analyses being paid for and accepted as gospel. My sense of smell is generally weak, but the stench of charlatanism burns my nose, and while a mere enthusiast may easily be acting on good faith, a professional astrologer, shovelling out large quantities of detailed nonsense, must be intentionally dishonest. Taking advantage of people’s uncertainties, their weak moments in life, and their gullibility … sorry, you may say my judgment of the astrologer as evil (and his customer as gullible) is propped up against my own reference frame and my beliefs are not necessarily the whole truth and the only truth, and yada yada, but relativism must know its bounds; at some point I must stand by my conviction and call “bullshit!”
That is what I dislike about astrology, and about séances, and about snake-oil peddling in general: intentional, blatant deceit of vulnerable people for one’s own gain.
Of all the fibers of my being that aren’t being used for something positive, rather a large portion is involved in detesting that.
June 29th, 2005 at 12:29 pm
Well, I didn’t see that coming. Actually I just wanted to change the subject and start talking about what is really important here: Football.
I for one is not affected by the movements of the heavenly bodies, but the movements of football players certainly does affect me. You can shove all that astrology crap up an astrologist arse for all I care. But football – that’s another story.
Oh, Im a football fan to the bone. A Liverpool fan to be more exact. And the movements of the heavenly stars of Liverpool FC affect me. I am not affected when Jupiter is in the third house, but when Liverpool is in the house of Manchester United I get a bit agitated. When Liverpool is in a final, you might say I go ballistics. Not very logical and down to earth to most non-football fans, but quite understandable I suppose.
You could argue that its all just in my head. And you would be right. Were you to deny me of the result of a series of Liverpool games, you could see that the movements of the players actually do not affect me at all. Not as long as I don’t know how they are doing. There is no bigger a connection between Steven Gerrard and me than there is between Jupiter and me. From a scientific point of view anyway. None the less football fans are sometimes dictated by their stars. I wouldnt be surprised to hear: “Oh, I like her a lot, but Im a Tottenham fan and shes a Gunner and that will never work so wed better cut this short right away”. I would understand. Heck, I ended up waist deep in a fountain the last time I watched a Liverpool match.
Not surprisingly, humans are exceedingly good at finding ways of making money off us poor supporters. Pub owners, travel agencies, sportswear manufacturers etc. make a lot of money from football supporters imaginary affection to their teams. The football industry probably has a bigger turnover than the astrology industry. And belive me, a lot of it is snake-oil peddling.
What is my point? Im not sure that I have one, but if I do it is probably this: If people want to let astrology affect their lives, I dont care. At least as long as they dont despise the fact that I let football affect mine.
June 29th, 2005 at 2:31 pm
Just one thing to add. You see I think astrology works like medicine in the form of drugs. Drugs only work if you believe they work. Similarly, if you sincerely believe that the position of some balls of gas or rock can affect your life or what will happen to you, then it is likely to do so, because you will more or less unconciously make it all happen. Is that good or bad? Well, that’s probably not a question for science to answer.
June 30th, 2005 at 8:57 am
And I didn’t see the astrology-football analogy coming, either. Reminded me of Max Headroom turning the discussion to … golf. But that reference may be a little on the obscure side, even by my standards; sorry!
(It bears noting, though, that it wasn’t any ordinary Liverpool match that sent you into the fountain.)
As for drugs: exactly. And I don’t much like the idea of anyone making billions selling placebos. Maybe that’s just me. :)
July 25th, 2008 at 6:24 am
When I was first introduced to astrology, I laughed, a lot – just because you are born on a certain day, you are different from someone born the day before. I STOPPED LAUGHING WHEN I REALIZED THAT IT WORKED. I have a bad chart, and my life was in chaos. When I started living by my natal chart, my life turned around. I must always be careful. I have a T-square. Keep astrology out there for all to know. I have done charts for non-believers and made them believers. Astrology is no way takes away from God and prayer.